I would buy a athlon 64 myself if they werent so expensive and the motherboards werent so full of bugs, I work at a compaq authorized service center and we see them (and play with them every day when testing of course hehe) and they are fast for gaming but they are not balanced when you multi task and the current mobos are a nightmare but I know they will get fixed, it is a relatively new platform full of pontetial and considering the fsb controller it in the cpu they are cheap. Still I like the p4 for their balance with their ht multitasking.
Athlon 64 & Pentium 4
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achiles said:
Intel don't want people overclocking. Future Intel processors will have their FSB locked, but motherboards can get around it, but only by so much. Just read here:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2124
NO Athlon chips are FSB locked full stop. How are so many people overclocking their CPUs? How come it is active in my BIOS? Please stop the misinformation. I still prefer Athlon processors since I like to play games, that's the primary thing I use mine for.
aprentice
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Clements said:
Dude, you are so wrong
An Athlon 3200+ does NOT equal 3.2ghz, it is 2.2ghz.
If a 2.2ghz XP can be on par with the 3.2ghz p4, then
by no means is it weaker, as a matter of fact, it is way
more stronger. Comare the 2.2ghz p4 to the 2.2ghz XP and
you'll see what I mean
DarthDazDC
An Alright Guy
i REALLY should have got an athlon 64 3200+ instead of a p4 3.2GHZ, as with an athlon 64 its got more longevity than a pentium
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aprentice said:
and you think you are right ?
so funny... in fact you are right when you have said he can't compare an amd 3200 with a P4 at 3,2 ghz, because of the clock speed... but you do a similar mistake !!! how many time did it take to amd to arrive at 2,2 ghz ? intel has past this speed a long time ago before amd...
ever heard the word "anachronism" ?
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Stezo2k
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Strange said:But if use AMD PR system in theory its equal P4s 3.2Ghz... But ofcourse its little slower than it =)
Too late
actually.... the AMD PR system is produced by comparing the CPUs to the Athlon Thunderbird processors, it doesn't really apply if you compare the PR with the speed of intels latest CPUs since hyperthreading and the 800 MHz FSB came into place
Clements said:
my 2500xp is not fsb locked but my next door neighbor's 2500 which is a 39 week one is locked. A lot of ppl got the week 38 and under cpu but anyone above is pretty much done for at least on the 2500 xp.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=1352692
and if the p4 are fsb locked explain this http://www.abit-usa.com/news/2004/20040701.php 800mhz overclock with stock cooling is not minimal for me.
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mezkal
Man on a mission
The bottom line is that it's horses for courses. Sure the A64 family is faster than P4s. But for my needs of music software I'm unwilling to go to A64 just yet. Oh btw when I bought my machine almost 18 months ago A64's weren't commonplace either, nor was their pricing. Right now its AMD. Next time its Intel. These type of discussions aren't worth fighting over. It all depends on what you buy when and why.
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Stezo2k
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mezkal said:
every processor has it's advantages, mean as this is a console emulation site, we usually refer to the gaming performance rather than other performance, i'm sure most of us agree that the main advantage the P4 has over the AMD K7/8 series is video encoding, Intel usually always take the lead
Heinster
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Clements said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-22.html
Depends what you use as a source I guess... But I could be wrong but I allways believed Tomshardware site to be nonbiased... But I could be wrong here.....
Hmmmm reading now that you are hammering more about the A64 and you might have a good point there Clements..... But for proffessional use I would allways go for an Intell above AMD... Because of the hyperthreading/multitask part.... Might sound strange but my dual 500 celeron was faster for the stuff I'm doing and more stable then a AMD 1GHz. This was because of the multitasking, so as soon as photoshop got a hickup it would only occupy one cpu so the other could go on with flash and even burn a cd.... With the latest Intell cpu's it creates multiple software cpu's what helps alot when I'm doing multiple stuff.... But I must also agree that most people are not running multiple heave software aplications at once so this would give no extra performence (who wants to photoshop while playing doom3?)
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Quake 3 is optimised for hyperthreading so that's why it's much faster with Intel. AMD is faster with all games not based on Quake 3.
Anyway, NONE of the [very old now] benchmarks you posted took Athlon64 into account whatsoever, all that shows is that P4s are faster than AthlonXPs which I already stated myself in the thread earlier.
Anyway, NONE of the [very old now] benchmarks you posted took Athlon64 into account whatsoever, all that shows is that P4s are faster than AthlonXPs which I already stated myself in the thread earlier.
mezkal
Man on a mission
Actually man on *all* threaded apps P4's hyperthreading isn't always gonna be fastest in terms of benchmarks but the P4 will always feel more responsive. Threading means that no matter what there is a always a spare clock cycle or two ready for input. It's not the same as REAL dual CPU or better yet QUAD CPU setups but it sure feels close
Also don't confuse threading and hyper-threading. No app can really be hyperthreading optimised per se. They can just be thread-aware or not (as the Quake3Arena engine is). Hyper-Threading just virtualises two CPU's from the original CPU (Virt. CPU 1) and what was originally HLT (Halt CPU activity for cooling) instructions on spare clock cycles (now Virt CPU 2). This is how the P4 always feels more ready for user input.
Cheers
Also don't confuse threading and hyper-threading. No app can really be hyperthreading optimised per se. They can just be thread-aware or not (as the Quake3Arena engine is). Hyper-Threading just virtualises two CPU's from the original CPU (Virt. CPU 1) and what was originally HLT (Halt CPU activity for cooling) instructions on spare clock cycles (now Virt CPU 2). This is how the P4 always feels more ready for user input.
Cheers
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achiles said:
All that link shows is that AthlonXPs are multiplier locked, and they are after week 38 which is true. This is NOT the same as FSB locked. I have stated this and you have not understood. You can modify the FSB on any multiplier locked 2500+.
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Clements said:
Ill give in on the athlon seeing as I have a 2500xp that is unlocked maybe my bud's bios is fsb locked, so you won, but what about your statement about intel cpus WILL BE LOCKED coment, you act like you work there or something.
If there is something I have learned from cpu makers is never to believe on them until a product is out. I have sent you the link and you didnt comment on it.