Blu-ray is going down!
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The only thing those links say is that the blue ray adds $150 to the price tag, so it should be hated. That is no reason to hate something, for all you know, blue ray could be the top medium in the next few years. Even when dvds were first released, the players were expensive as hell. Its to be expected when something is first made, there is no stopping that. Just give the damn thing a chance and don't base your opinion completely on price.
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No, it mentions that Sony is arrogant, does not give you a choice with Blu-ray, that people hate the Blu-ray in PS3, that it is expensive, that it causes manufacturing problems, that people are skeptic against Sony since they've lost numerous format wars and of course, Sony's brand is taking damage.
And besides, me like many others, base my opinions that Sony is backing the format--and that Sony invented the thing,
Furthermore, Sony has at this moment chosen to use old MPEG2 technology (which is feasible due to the bigger space; but then I must ask what the heck they want the space for?) which is inferior to the newer, MPEG4 AVC or VC1 (Microsoft's stupid video compression technology).
On a side note, just because Blu-ray is so new is a big factor that the PS3 will have lots of problems by incoporating it. Which again, will probably bite back at Sony later on.
And besides, me like many others, base my opinions that Sony is backing the format--and that Sony invented the thing,
Furthermore, Sony has at this moment chosen to use old MPEG2 technology (which is feasible due to the bigger space; but then I must ask what the heck they want the space for?) which is inferior to the newer, MPEG4 AVC or VC1 (Microsoft's stupid video compression technology).
On a side note, just because Blu-ray is so new is a big factor that the PS3 will have lots of problems by incoporating it. Which again, will probably bite back at Sony later on.
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I do think bluray stands a chance this time with the movie companies backing it but the price of the media/players are bloody pricey. If it dies it'll probably because of that
I'm not sure what the quality of HDDVD is like but i've seen bluray in action (in 1080p) and I wasnt impressed. Might of been the movie but looking quite close the picture was grainy
I'm not sure what the quality of HDDVD is like but i've seen bluray in action (in 1080p) and I wasnt impressed. Might of been the movie but looking quite close the picture was grainy
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I'm going to bank on sony's track record of formats and say that HD-DVD is going to win.
Excuse me a moment though, I need to switch my Betamax tape to the next in this trilogy, and then later I plan to listen to my mini disc player, or maybe watch a UMD movie... Oh wait... No. I don't.
Excuse me a moment though, I need to switch my Betamax tape to the next in this trilogy, and then later I plan to listen to my mini disc player, or maybe watch a UMD movie... Oh wait... No. I don't.
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Might have been because of the old MPEG2 standard. MPEG4 (at least AVC) allows the user of custom matrixes, which can boost quality significantly. Dunno about VC1, though.
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I do wonder what they want all that space for...
If they use MPEG2 compression technique, of course they want more space, because they're using an inferior compression technology that results in lower quality... but if they use MPEG4 AVC or VC1, then what? Even HD content won't gobble up all that space and they probably won't fill it all with extras or goodies.
All formats have a cap for bitrate, which when exceeded, does not add anything more to quality. Say that the limit is 1000 kbps. If you compress at 2000 kbps, the quality wouldn't be better than 1000 kbps, so essentially it's a waste of space.
If they use MPEG2 compression technique, of course they want more space, because they're using an inferior compression technology that results in lower quality... but if they use MPEG4 AVC or VC1, then what? Even HD content won't gobble up all that space and they probably won't fill it all with extras or goodies.
All formats have a cap for bitrate, which when exceeded, does not add anything more to quality. Say that the limit is 1000 kbps. If you compress at 2000 kbps, the quality wouldn't be better than 1000 kbps, so essentially it's a waste of space.
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Sony will not allow porn on Blu-ray? Actually, that would be really nice, but will it help them win the war? I would think not. VHS had a huge advantage when the porn industry supported VHS instead of Betamax. Sony, are you thinking straight?
Also, the porn industry seem to believe HD-DVD is superior to Blu-ray.
Oops. Another hand up for HD-DVD. I'm leaning towards HD-DVD winning now. Anyone else?
Also, the porn industry seem to believe HD-DVD is superior to Blu-ray.
Oops. Another hand up for HD-DVD. I'm leaning towards HD-DVD winning now. Anyone else?
Oh my god no pr0n on Blue Ray?!
Well someone (LG electronics) is introducing a dual format reading disk uint. It can read blue or HD-DVD. There are some issues with both formats.
As for porn on the BluRay. I think the key note is cost, if it costs too much to produce in the porn industries eyes. Then likely it is too expensive period. I'm not a Sony fan, nor am I fan of HD-DVD. Most everyone who has reviewed the formats find that neither are compelling for them to switch too and are a big yawn. One reviewer said "the run away train that was christmas 2006 came through and went bye to the new high definition formats, do you think people will want to see MORE directors comments on a movie than is available already? Why would I want to go to the internet to get more?" Surprise surprise! It's currently economically unfeasable HD-DVD is more likely to win if it meets the economic needs. Nothing like a format without a cause. 50G of space (max?) is too much for the majority of games even. How much crap can people want to listen or watch? There is a limit to how long I play a game. 2 hours (unless castle wolfenstien then that's different
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Backing up data on either format is also impractical. Magnetic tape sadly is far more durable due to the decay of the dyes they use in the media when exposed to UV light. (Sunlight or flourescent lamps). The lasers are being pushed to there limits as well. I think what they need to consider is durability of the media instead of how much they can sell it for. If blue ray for example was considered stable for 30 years they might be able to make big money on the high end scale of things. Granted you would need 20 to 40 disks for typical archival backup instead of 1 or 2 tapes, I'm sure they can come up with something for this (hey disc backup with label printer and tyvek sleeve stuffer!)
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Well someone (LG electronics) is introducing a dual format reading disk uint. It can read blue or HD-DVD. There are some issues with both formats.
As for porn on the BluRay. I think the key note is cost, if it costs too much to produce in the porn industries eyes. Then likely it is too expensive period. I'm not a Sony fan, nor am I fan of HD-DVD. Most everyone who has reviewed the formats find that neither are compelling for them to switch too and are a big yawn. One reviewer said "the run away train that was christmas 2006 came through and went bye to the new high definition formats, do you think people will want to see MORE directors comments on a movie than is available already? Why would I want to go to the internet to get more?" Surprise surprise! It's currently economically unfeasable HD-DVD is more likely to win if it meets the economic needs. Nothing like a format without a cause. 50G of space (max?) is too much for the majority of games even. How much crap can people want to listen or watch? There is a limit to how long I play a game. 2 hours (unless castle wolfenstien then that's different
).Backing up data on either format is also impractical. Magnetic tape sadly is far more durable due to the decay of the dyes they use in the media when exposed to UV light. (Sunlight or flourescent lamps). The lasers are being pushed to there limits as well. I think what they need to consider is durability of the media instead of how much they can sell it for. If blue ray for example was considered stable for 30 years they might be able to make big money on the high end scale of things. Granted you would need 20 to 40 disks for typical archival backup instead of 1 or 2 tapes, I'm sure they can come up with something for this (hey disc backup with label printer and tyvek sleeve stuffer!)
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Yes, heard about that... while it helps customers purchase a machine from where they can watch either format, unfortunately, it doesn't help the studios to choose a format to stick to.
As for the rest... I'm just hoping Sony fails. Again. Much like they seem to. With the race of compression techniques, we won't ever need 50 GB+ of storage. And I doubt we're going to see that much longer movies. Maybe the could put TV series or something, more of them on fewer discs, yet the price would rise, yes? I agree those other features are practically useless, but the main point is that the discs will contain HD material. And when we get enough HD TVs, then these new movies will be the new DVD movies. Of course, that's when we get large HD TVs and the prices fall severely.
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I really don't support one or the other, since I really don't see the need to switch yet when a Dual-Layered DVD will take care of most movie viewing needs.
VHS -> DVD did see a need because the picture quality was SIGNIFICANTLY better and it was much more handy carrying around DVDs than, by comparison, big black boxes. Sure it was expensive there, but it was SIGNIFICANTLY better, so that's why it was adopted.
On the other hand, DVD -> ??? does not have much of a pull since only the videophiles will be able to see many differences, especially while watching the movie and not freeze-framing a screen to see the details. I'd do a survey, but I don't own either player.
VHS -> DVD did see a need because the picture quality was SIGNIFICANTLY better and it was much more handy carrying around DVDs than, by comparison, big black boxes. Sure it was expensive there, but it was SIGNIFICANTLY better, so that's why it was adopted.
On the other hand, DVD -> ??? does not have much of a pull since only the videophiles will be able to see many differences, especially while watching the movie and not freeze-framing a screen to see the details. I'd do a survey, but I don't own either player.
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Not true, so far as I know. You need an HD TV to see difference, though. And, like it or not, not everyone has.
Besides, to me VHS -> DVD wasn't that big of a leap. Quality is about as good on either but DVD doesn't suffer from age as much as VHS. This is another VHS -> DVD leap I think...
Besides, to me VHS -> DVD wasn't that big of a leap. Quality is about as good on either but DVD doesn't suffer from age as much as VHS. This is another VHS -> DVD leap I think...
Actually this isn't a transition of going to better technology.
That's the carrot. What it really is about is going from analog where they have little control of how what the end system does to digital. Where they have C.R.A.P. (Video here) to control you.
It's a lot more about control than about nice pictures.
Cyb
That's the carrot. What it really is about is going from analog where they have little control of how what the end system does to digital. Where they have C.R.A.P. (Video here) to control you.
It's a lot more about control than about nice pictures.
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Isn't it always? The more digital we get, the greater control everyone has, which is better for many parts, for companies, authorities and consumers alike. Though DRM is a bad thing that's evolving due to the digital movement.
Seriously? :huh:
Seriously though, why are people supporting there C.R.A.P. ? People buy it without thinking. Microsoft has been sued countless times for the same thing, and yet people assume "We'll be fine" right.
Anyhow VHS was good for it's time. It worked and was a nice recording medium. Now they can control things. It's up to the individual but, frankly most people don't think about it. Then they whine when they've wasted all that money in ... C.R.A.P.
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Cyb
Anyhow VHS was good for it's time. It worked and was a nice recording medium. Now they can control things. It's up to the individual but, frankly most people don't think about it. Then they whine when they've wasted all that money in ... C.R.A.P.
LOL
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Yup, seriously.
Though that was a long time ago. I haven't seen any VHS movie in ages now.
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You need to get your eyes checked then because theres a huge difference between dvd and vhs quality. Triple the video resolution for one thing, you need a new tv if they look the same.